Dave tells a great story about one of our friends, Jay Bennett. It made me think of the day when we were helping Jay move the studio (Pieholden) from Chicago to downstate Illinois.
We all arrived pretty early that day, Jay showed up a little later. Soon we all began deliberating about how to accomplish such a monumental task. There was literally tons and tons of gear and instruments crammed into every corner of the loft space.
After we had all paced around smoking cigarettes and throwing out ideas for nearly three hours, Jay exclaimed that he had the plan. The “Two-Pile Plan” to be exact. Everything in the studio would be put into one of two piles. Pile #1 would go to Champaign and pile #2…. would be tossed out the window into the dumpster below.
This plan was both hilarious and an effective. We put our our cigarettes and started hauling some of the best (and by best I mean heaviest) analog recoding equipment down three flights of stairs.
Later that day, due to a faulty freight elevator, we all narrowly escaped being trapped in the dankest, darkest, creepiest basement in the Midwest. A whole other story indeed.
The muscles in my lower back still seize up when I think about that day, but it was one of the best of my life.
Here is a recent video of Bobby Bare Jr and Dave at Schubas on New Years Eve.
Quite a good time, with Dan Duffy working the tap! This video also features the infamous Mr. Jimmy that David speaks about in this interview. Mr. Jimmy is playing keys, percussion (on a beer bottle) and singing.
We are all excited to hear what these dudes are working on down in Nashville. I’m sure I’ll have a post about it sometime soon.
For those who missed their Gallery Cabaret performance, one of the most phenomenal bands in our mixed up circle of musician friends is Ghost Finger. Today’s post features a video of Ghost Finger covering Fleetwood Mac’s “Landslide”.
Members of Ghost Finger will be playing at Schubas on New Years eve.
Bobby Bare Jr. is sure to put on a sweet headlining performance. Inside sources say that there will be FREE mac and cheese supplied by the Harmony Grill. Needless to say, that’s where I will be ringing in the new year.
We had a bunch of fun at the Gallery Caberet on December 5th. The Spaceship of the Imagination came from Nashville to play a bunch of electronic Christmas songs. Here is one that I caught on video… Walking in a Winter Wonderland… Kanye West style with auto tuner and all…
I have to admit that Elliot Smith had alot to do with my growth as a songwriter. I was once told that I was in the running for an opening tour spot with the man. I can clearly remember the stinging feeling I had when I learned that would not happen. A stinging feeling that returned when I heard of his passing.
Here is a link to a new free song on the Kill Rock Stars site: Cecilia/Amanda
I am happy to see more of his material landing on one my favorite labels, Kill Rock Stars. I really like Slim Moon’s description of this music as “heartwrenchingly, gut-checkingly honest, intimate, and wise”.
Honesty in songwriting has become very rare. I think that many folks no longer view their lives as interesting and this becomes a big problem for a songwriter. Like the greatest of creative non-fiction writers, Smith had a great knack for writing lyrics that were both honest and interesting.
He combined this with and amazing sense of melody. His melodies are pretty traditional in that the follow along the lines of The Beatles, they also keep to modal scales and modulations which fall in the tool set of early classical composers.
Elliot made these incredible yet traditional melodies new with an incredibly original (and often poorly imitated) performance style. He was the master of the Loud/Soft.
Cecilia/Amanda showcases the formation of his style and pulls back the curtain on his path to his later masterpiece albums.
Dan Duffy, bass player for Jitney just shared an amazing fact with me.
Dan: just found out that the first album jon bon jovi ever appeared on (as the fifth “lead vocalist,” john bongiovi) was “christmas in the stars”: the star wars christmas album. the album included such classics as “what do you get a wookie for christmas (when he already has a comb?)
Way to go Dan and way to go Jon. More info about this quintessential Bongiovi album is here.
BONUS: Here is a kick ass picture of Dan, celebrity news hound.
For the initial phase of Rock Proper, we decided to offer our music for free. To many this seems crazy, today let’s examine the actual economics of this decision.
But first a little history…
For years, a group of Chicago musicians have been making records and playing shows at notable venues.
At first, the records were created on the artists own dime. Next, many were picked up by local record labels and funded, bought vans and started to tour the mid-west. After that, a handful were picked up by even bigger indie labels, got slightly more funding, slightly better vans and were off to tour the country. Finally, a very small few were picked up by the almighty major record label, got to use a tour bus for awhile and tour the world for a year or so.
What do they all have in common? None of these records actually “Recouped”.
If you have put out a record with a label you will recognize this scary little word and be very familiar with it’s importance. For those who may not know, “recouping” is the point at which record sales have actually paid for the recording, manufacturing and marketing costs of the album and it actually starts “making money”.
How much money is that?
As you might imagine, the cost of making an album varies widely. At my first (and only) meeting with a major label representative, Mr. Matt Marshall of Epic records spoke of being conservative and spending somewhere in the quarter million dollar range to make a record. This was very exciting to my 21 year old ears, it sounded like a ton of money (because it is a ton of money). This excitement wears off, however, once the artist realizes that this is simply a massive loan. Except unlike other loans, this is a loan that someone else spends for you. The label fronts you this money, decides how it will be allotted (often inflating the amount spent) and begins profiting on it well in advance of the artist.
Now, I don’t want to fall into the over-simplistic view that all major labels are “bad” and that all bands and artists are all pure-hearted victims, but what I have just described is the typical protocol.
After I had seen hundreds of brilliant records “fail” by not recouping after endless hours of toil and thousands of dollars wasted, I was ready to try something different.
After all, these days a good sounding record doesn’t cost anywhere near a quarter of a million dollars and the artist doesn’t need the marketing and distribution channels that previously only a record label could offer. These days, there are other options.
The idea for Rock Proper came when I was working on my latest record Jitney 86-300. I was frustrated by the time it usually takes to find a label and or distributor to support your work, then the amount money involved with manufacturing the CDs, the length of time it takes for that work to be released and the prospect of feeling indebted to someone for my art.
It seemed a more direct route would be best. I was excited to surpass this whole process. No endless phone calls trying to drum up support. No massive amount spent on manufacturing. No shipping crates of CDs to be inventoried then to be shipped to someone who would rip the album to their iPod and basically disregard the piece of plastic. A piece of plastic that took a great deal of time and energy to create and distribute.
How about allowing anyone in the world to access your music for free instantly. No shipping, no manufacturing, no trips to the post office, no nada. Once it is live on the site it is accessible.
How have the results been?
So far so good. Back when we were creating physical versions of all our music, a typical run would reach 200 to 400 people and only rarely make the cost of manufacturing back (let alone the recording cost). So, in an effort to sell music, most of the time money was actually lost.
Furthermore, these physical CDs actually prevented people from hearing the music because they had to pay to hear it.
So, not only did it lose money but it also lost listeners.
With the Rock Proper model, we are no longer losing money on manufacturing, we are gaining many more listeners than previously possible (nearly all records have been downloaded 1,000 times) and each record is no longer existing in isolation, therefore a success for one benefits the whole site. These records are not tied to a particular release date where they will only be available in stores for a little while, they are all up on the site for hopefully a very long time.
There are still many obstacles to this work. I will explore some of these in a future post and I am not sure this will remain free forever (perhaps charging a dollar for an album would be seen as the best balance?).
I am only confident the the old music business model is broken and that creativity and experimentation will lead us to the next phase.
I urge you to take part in this experiment, listen to some of the music, forward what you like on to those in your neighborhood or social networks and let us know your thoughts.
Today we have a quick but insightful interview with the bass player of Brother Truck, Dom Ferri.
Along with being a great bass player, Dom is a connoisseur of the instrument. He has owned many varieties of electric bass in the past several years. In fact, if you are a bass player in Chicago, I would be willing to bet he has owned your bass at one time.
Anyway, I caught up with him at my apartment a few months back.
[Dom enters doing some karate]
Casey Meehan: Hey. What’s your name?
Dom Ferri: Domenico… Domenico Ferri, you gotta roll the “R”, it’s ethnic.
CM: So, where you from? What part of Italy are you from?
DF: Well, I am from Chicago actually… [flexes]
CM: I never would have guessed, I thought you were from the old country.
DF: Well, the blood is, the body isn’t…
CM: Do you really do a shot of olive oil every morning?
DF: It keeps my skin extra smooth and glistening in the hot Mediterranean sun.
CM: I thought it was looking pretty smooth… Interesting.
Ian MacKaye founded Dischord Records as a teenager in 1980. The label has released more than 160 albums over the last 25 years. Ian has been a member of Teen Idles, Minor Threat, Fugazi and The Evens. The creation of Rock Proper was inspired in part by Ian’s unique ways of bringing people and music together.
Casey Meehan: You’ve held many different positions in the music industry and have seen it from many angles, what insights have you gleaned from your different experiences?
Ian MacKaye:This kind of question is difficult because I’m only one person with one view. My perspective is that in life, there is goodness, good ideas and good people, and there are bad ideas and bad people. Not evil, I don’t believe in evil, but people who are misguided and misguiding. On top of that, if you take art and commerce and put them together, it can be a really ugly collision. And generally, commerce is going to win. Because you can’t really eat a song.
I’m not an expansionist; I’m not interested in owning everything. I just wasn’t raised that way. From my point of view, I just want to be able to play music and live life in a way that feels right to me. I’ve worked in a record store, I own a label, I’ve been in a band, I’ve put on shows, I’ve done production for shows, I’ve been in catering. People have asked me “What are you going to do in 5 years?” and the truth is, I don’t know. People have told me, “You have to have a plan” and I ask them “Why?” They never have a good reason why you should always have a plan. Usually what I find is that there are an awful lot of things people do that are unnecessary.
I remember when I started playing in bands in high school and people said to me, “You can’t be in a band here in Washington you have to move to New York” and “You can’t write your own songs, what cover songs are you going to play?” We’d tell them that we don’t play cover songs and were told, “You can’t do that.” Essentially, I have found that the record industry, like the rest of our American society, is filled with people who think you can’t do things because they haven’t bothered to try. If someone tells me something can’t be done, and I can’t think of a good reason why, then I’m gonna fucking try to do it.
I think of these things in terms of life insights. I am not really in the record business. Sure, I sell records but the actual “Record Business” is pretty loathsome. They are just selling records; I am involved with the connection between people and music.
CM: In the creation of our website (RockProper.com) we discussed the tricky relationship between art and commerce a ton. Can you expand on your thoughts regarding this relationship?
IM:Let me put it this way, many people talk about “touring behind the record.” In my mind you should put out records to support the tour, not the other way around. If you are “touring to support a record” you’re making the consumable product the apex of the work. I think the music or the gig is the most important, not the piece of plastic. That’s one illustration of the way the record industry has turned things inside out. When viewed in this way, suddenly the music belongs to the industry.
It’s not that I think you shouldn’t make money, the idea is that the music is the point, and the business is just the practical application. We need to eat, we need to live, we need to have healthcare. People ask me “How do you make a living?” I am actually not interested in making a living, I am interested in living. Look, I sell records, I have been doing it for a long time. I like to sell records, I like to buy records, I like to make records, I like to play shows, I like to get paid to play shows, it’s not mandatory I don’t have to get paid, I do some benefit stuff. For instance, if [The Evens] are putting on a show and we’ve been driving all day and we arrive in a place and there are some people gathered to see us, I don’t think of this as a payday… I think of it as a group of people gathering to collectively make this go. In return, music is the point of gathering. It gives people a sense of connection and that was the point to begin with!
Don’t forget that music is the form of communication that predates language.
To follow up on this, The Evens don’t play rock clubs, we play alternative spaces with our own PA and our own lights. We play at 8 o’clock, not at midnight after four bands. Our idea is to try to get people back into the music and out of the traditional structure. Clubs seem to set the tone of the event. For instance you are in a band, where do you live?
IM: So you know there are different clubs in town, there are some places that are more like the frat joint and others that may be more of the arty places, these structures actually have a strong effect on the event.
Our idea is to wrestle music back away from the clubs because they have an awful lot of control and set a certain cadence for any event. Plus, they are all bars. So, it is not the music necessarily, that people are going for. It’s certainly not the music that the clubs are interested in necessarily; the clubs have to make money and they don’t make money on the music. They make money on the bar. Also, I have never played a show that was not all ages, I think over 21 shows are insane. When did you start liking music?
CM: I was about 12 or 13 when I went to my first show, my brother had to sneak me in…
IM: So at that time, you had nine years before you could legally see the show. That’s just fucking ridiculous.
CM: If you were an unknown musician today, how would you go about “making it go”? Have you given this any thought?
IM: First off, I am a known musician on some levels, on other levels I am an extremely unknown musician. For 99.9% of the population of the world I will never even be a speck on the radar. I live in Washington DC where many would think I would be a fairly well-known dude but, in fact, I am rather invisible. When I tell people that I am in a band called The Evens, they look at me and they have no idea and that’s fine, that’s alright.
Look at it this way, Fugazi is a fairly well known band, we’ve sold an awful lot of records. Our best selling record has sold a little over a half million records. But that is just a fraction of the US population. It’s a big fucking world, we are still largely invisible.
To answer your question, after 30 years of experience, it’s hard for me to think about starting out today. However, I believe that the landscape is no less dire than when I started playing. At that time in DC, you had to be a cover band playing three nights a week, and if you were a punk you were just laughed at. We had to do our own thing, put on our own shows, and build our community. We wrote songs that moved us, and ultimately seemed to move our friends and other people around us.
To answer your question, if I had to do it all over today, I would do it the way that I am doing it. I would look at the landscape and try to come up with a creative response to get people connected through music.
My one piece of advice, always, is write a good fucking song. All these ways of getting the word out, various internet sites, etc are less important, far less important than what is obvious. Write music that people are moved by. You can have the best promotion in the world but if you don’t have any music, what the fuck are you? What kind of band are you?
CM: Any advice on writing a good song?
IM:I don’t have the formula for a good song, I don’t believe in that. I would guess that if you are connected to the world you live in, and you write music that is responsive to it, then people will connect to that. But I really don’t know, there really isn’t a simple answer to this.
CM: In past interviews, you have mentioned how younger musicians who are learning to play their instruments may be trying to emulate a style or another musician but actually they are creating something brand new. Do you have any routines or rituals that help you keep your creative process fresh?
IM: No, I don’t have any rituals. When I feel like playing guitar, I pick it up. I don’t really practice guitar, I never took any guitar lessons, I’m self taught. I just beat on it till something interesting comes out.
It’s frustrating for me because I always want to write a great song, but that doesn’t necessarily mean I can write a great song. In my mind I have these ideas, I feel like I have a great song in my mind but when I pick up the guitar it becomes a separate, muscular activity. I just play until it starts to make sense. I can’t conceptualize it all in my brain, I know some musicians that can and that is amazing, I am not one of them. I just have to play.
CM: Are there conditions that you have noticed over the past years that have fostered good songs?
IM: Yeah, less fucking distraction frankly. It’s rare that I have 2 or 3 hours where I have nothing going on. I like to write when I can just sit for awhile, with no phones and no computer and get to that place where you start working on something and you can’t stop. I have a 8-track cassette recorder that I demo on but often I don’t want to turn it on because I know that if I do, I will look up and it will be four hours later, and I don’t often have the four hours to spare.
It’s interesting when you think about the structure of our society, free time is just not something that we are afforded. Less now than ever before. There is just no time. Especially with this incessant communication, where 5 emails have to be written where one phone call would do. It starts to drive me crazy. Don’t forget, I am in The Evens, but there is still a lot of Fugazi business and Minor Threat business all the time, I am basically a custodian for those bands. I also have the record label and other things in my life that I have to look after and do. There’s a lot of shit going on at all times. I like my life fine, it’s just jam packed, that’s all.
I don’t know how old you are but I’m forty-seven, and when I was a kid, I’m not being sentimental I just want to share some knowledge, when I was a kid, on Sundays everything was closed except the pharmacy and the supermarket. The bookstore and the bank and everything was closed. On one hand, it was inconvenient but on the other hand, it forced you to have some time when you weren’t doing anything.
Just cause you can do your banking at 4 in the morning, why should you bank at 4 in the morning? That’s craziness. People should think about this idea of convenience because convenience comes at a very high price. It is usually more convenient for the business than the consumer.
Shopping online can also be so time consuming, there is always some link that will take you down the rabbit hole. No matter what. You might be looking for a hard drive or you might be looking for some book but, no matter what, you are going to wind up looking at a video of some kid with shit coming out of his ears.
That’s one reason I don’t record on a computer. I know that those digital recording setups are probably more agile than, say, my 8-track cassette deck. But I feel like I spend enough time during the day staring at the light box. I don’t want that to be how I make music. I am not being a purist. It’s not that I think “tape rules” but for me, the computer is just a distraction ultimately and it absorbs your creative energy.
When I first started recording with Don Zientara, we were using a 4-track. During that time, we were talking and I said, “I don’t really understand how they recorded with just one track”, originally it was one track with a cylinder and Don said something like “there’s always decisions to be made, all that changes is the point at which you have to make the decision.” When they first started making recordings they had a giant cone in a wall, like a speaker. It would move back and forth when you made the noise. This motion would send electrical signals down to cut the wax on the cylinder.
The way you mix those records is by arranging the people in the room. The drums are loud so they would go in the back, the quieter instruments would be in front and the singers of that generation would have to shout loud enough to move the cone. All the decisions had to be made right then.
It wasn’t until microphones were invented that crooning like Bing Crosby was possible. Otherwise you never would have heard it. Next, you could record on separate tracks and if you want the bass louder or the drums louder you could make those decisions later.
Now days, with the computer, there are an infinite number of tracks available and infinite number of plug-ins and and infinite number of options, you never have to make the decisions and you can never seem to get things done.
CM: I have seen people in the studio who get lost in the confusion of too many options.
IM: Precisely. In my life, in general I am anti-option. Options can be enormous time wasters for those of us who are easily distracted. I don’t generally talk about my diet, but I have been a vegan for like 25 years. One of the reasons is because when I go to a restaurant there is usually only one thing on the menu that I can eat and that is what I order. When I go to a vegan restaurant, some times I become frozen because there are so many options.
CM: What was the last non-music job that you held?
IM: What does it mean when you say “non-music”? Frankly, even right now I’m not playing music, I’m talking to you. I live off my work not my music. I run a label, I have a staff, I have to pay taxes, most of the time I am awake I am not playing music, I’m working hard so that I can play music without having to get those two things necessarily connected. I work hard, so I can play music. I like working.
CM: I feel like there is an illusion that someone can get a major label deal and they will never have to work again.
IM: How would you feel if suddenly someone gave you 100K or 250k and told you that you are a genius, you are a millionaire, just sit here and write. We will do your laundry and pay your taxes, just sit and write a great song, we will take care of everything, just sit there and write a great song. I often think about Cobain, how that must have felt for him, it would be a ton of pressure.
CM: At that point you would be living in a vacuum…
IM: That’s right, you would be living in a vacuum and on top of that you are an investment, and all of these investors would want to make sure their investment pays off.
I have a lot of friends who are successful major label musicians. They live in a way that is insane to me, but it is just their reality. I also know a lot of other people, far more people, that may have been close to that and it just didn’t go anywhere. For every lottery ticket that pays off, there’s a hundred thousand on the floor, torn in half.
For me, I work to pay my bills, I don’t make my music do it. In Fugazi, I booked the shows, I drove the van. I’ve never had a manager, I’ve never had a lawyer. I run my affairs. When you called to organize this interview, did you talk to my publicist? No… I don’t have a fucking publicist. That’s not the way I operate. I can’t say that everyone can do this, but it’s possible.
We are happy to celebrate our one year anniversary with two new albums and new streaming / mobile functionality. But first a quick look at the stats from this year.
Since we launched one year ago:
we have launched 19 albums
these have generated over twenty thousand downloads
spanning over 200 countries!
By subscribing to this blog and downloading our music you are truly a part of an international community. Please keep spreading the word, tell your friends, post our songs, help us grow this community…
The Sun This month, Ohio band, The Sun, has teamed up with Rock Proper to release their second full length album Don’t Let Your Baby Have All the Fun. It was produced by Mike McCarthy (Spoon) and is the first release from The Sun since their 2005 Warner Brothers release.
Brother Truck We are also incredibly pleased to announce the release of Brother Truck’s second LP, He Ain’t Heavy, He’s My Brother. Recorded by Matt Dewine at Pieholden Suite Sound, these songs rollerskate through Motown, garage, and the early rock’n'roll of the 50s and 60s, the band looks backward with such grace and intelligence, the music feels new. Over thirteen tunes, thick with silky bass-lines and fuzzy guitars, Brother Truck evoke youthful midnights, poodle skirts and technicolor dreams.
Rock Proper Radio Yes folks it’s finally here… After many grueling hours of coding, you can now listen to all of our releases via our streaming radio. To get there simply click the “Radio” link just below the Rock Proper logo at the top of the page.
A small radio player will appear and from here you can shuffle all songs by clicking the “Random” button in the top right of the player. Hear a song that you like? You can download that song directly to your desktop by clicking the “Download” button.
Rock Proper Mobile Like Rock Proper Radio, it is now possible to stream our music on your mobile device. To listen to our music while you are say… jogging… all you need to do is point your mobile browser to: rockproper.com/radio
From here you can listen to albums in their entirety or shuffle between everything in our catalog.
Gaper’s Block Our good friends over at Gaper’s Block did quick article about us.